The really detailed very interesting information . This as "correct" as it gets , Enjoy !!
Thinking Extreme Minutia , will be put in where the info fits into the Concourse List...
Keep it cohesive
spare wheel info:
Bob, This is the code next to the valve stem of the spare tire wheel in my SC/RAMBLER : K191(stem hole)21 6 K = KELSEY HAYES (MANUFACTURER), 1 = AMC? (NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ONE?), 9 = YEAR, 1 = JAN., 21 = DAY, 6 = DIMENSIONS OF THE WHEEL
Note: was informed the paint code "spec" or "special "tags . Are first 500 builds
Info Courtesy of Walter Miller
factory & Dot recalls
Here is a recall Document:
Courtesy of Mike Lewis
Air Cleaner BottomNote 1:One recall as far as we can tell so far is the Air cleaner bottom .Appears to of been no holes from Kenosha , and the cars were recalled and the dealersDrilled the 1/4" hole(s) . Any more info on these Topics , Am all ears ...This is what we believe came original to an SC/R after ,the dealer drilled .
Note 2: Factory recall on the lug nuts . Apparently the stainles steel cover on the lug nuts
would seperate and Make the lug wrench not fit . Hearing the Dealer would swap these
out during a maintanance . And not say anything to the customer ...??More on this , hopfully soon
Topic Seats :
Seat Belts :
This was in the glove box
Topic : Instument cluster
Hash marks or dots on the speedometer : DOTS is Correct !
Dots on the speedometer (also note the copper color, this was chrome but it deteriorated...
Topic : Smog
Here are the air injector tubes that bolt on the exaughst mainfolds , The bolt is hollow for the air to pass through . These tubes are repops and are solid .To use them is for looks and the vanes in the smog pump should be removed .
Picture courtesy of Gordy Chilson
Here is the pump and hoses plus diverter valve .
Photo's courtsesy of Bob Rascoe
Paint detail :
SC/RAMBLER : ''A'' RED PANEL - (SEE ATTACHMENTS) These two points seem
to be the only places that the red
panel of the ''A'' paint scheme is
''free-hand''. The other parts of the
panel follow body lines.
Paint detail : This is the drivers side battery mount holes . There are four holes to tape over(three if your fuel line goes through one of them ). The smog pump bracket will end up with a bolt head not painted . The car should have primer showing after the tape is removed .
Photo here :
The tape was black and it was put on before the car was painted.
The one nut that was not painted is the one at hold the lowest part of the smog pump
Paint details :
#5 SC/Rambler rear crossmembers were black paint.
#10 SC/R master cylinder lids are silver chromate and the master cylinder was natural.
#11 SC/R entire differental and cover was black paint.
#17 SC/R engine brackets are black paint.
#28 SC/R front crossmembers are black paint.
#40 SC/R sway bar brackets are painted black under all the undercoat.
I will be the first one to tell you I didn't adhere strictly to these finishes on my car. The car will be shown in the Hurst modified class and the things I did were to make the car easier to clean between shows. Stuff like painting the whole bellhousing, the transmission, the crosslink and pittman arm would be where I deviated. These things can't trigger a points deduction in modified, but may cause a deduction in stock class depending on the judge. Usually only a point or two.( quoted by Jim McKee (Fastrogue)
Emblem Placement :
SC/RAMBLER : ''RAMBLER''emblem placement - The ''RAMBLER'' emblems, on
> the L&R fenders, seem to be in the stock 1969 (rambler) positions. The
> rear ''RAMBLER'' emblem's base line seems to be aprox. 1 7/8 inch above
> the base line of the black panel. THE REAR ''RAMBLER'' EMBLEM IS NOT IN
> THE STOCK 1969 (RAMBLER AMERICAN) POSITION. --- Bob Rascoe reports that
> : THE ORIGINAL REAR (RAMBLER AMERICAN) ''RAMBLER'' EMBLEM'S MOUNT HOLES
> WERE BRAZED CLOSED.
> SC/RAMBLER : ''HURST''emblem placement - Starting with a base line that
> will be the base line of the ''RAMBLER'' emblem. The top of the ''H'',
> in the ''HURST'' emblem, is aprox. 3/8 inch from that line. The forward
> slash is aprox. 1/4 inch form the base of the ''R'' in the ''RAMBLER''
Front Fender Photo
Note: Emblem detail :
Some owners/restorers have found braze to plug holes for the stock "69 Rougue emlem placement .
Here is a 69 Rogue Trunk Lid :
Texas / Arkansas Car
Looking for photo's of the braze spots .
MIRROR MOUNT ,
SC/RAMBLER : MIRROR MOUNT - The screws used to mount the the mirrors on my SC/RAMBLER are #8 sheet metal with #6 Phillips head (chrome). I use one inch. The tips of the screws are angled towards each other and seem to hold the mirrors by grappling. The angle forms a claw that may hold the mirrors much better. The rear tips of the SC/RAMBLER mirror base is not very Strong and this grappling seems to take a lot of stress off that area.
Topic : Lights
For 1969 AMC started using Guard Glow bulbs in the headlight system. The Guard Glow bulb was designed so that in the event that a bulb burnt out there would still be a faint glow noticeable so that an oncoming car would see two lights instead of just one. Guard Glow bulbs were a one year only deal as in 1970 the parking light circuit was changed to stay on when the headlights were on. Prior to that the parking lights did not illuminate with the headlights. Pre 1970 TS headlights have a wide pattern in the lines cast into the headlight lens. 1970 and up bulbs use a narrower finer pattern of lines in the lens. The 7" TS (Tungsol) bulbs (correct for the SC/R) are very rare. They are almost impossible to find NOS. Bill Strobel
Topic : lights
Licence plate light
The body plugs that were used near the exhaust were metal. I only have two on my SC/RAMBLER (over the mufflers).
Here is a link to Exhaust also(reccommended read):
SC/RAMBLER : EXHAUST - (EXTREME MINUTIA)Details of the original factory installed SC/RAMBLER exhaust system. - The normal AMC factory installed exhaust system used a BUMP/SLOT arrangement that allowed quick alignment on the assembly line. The inside pipe had a bump on it that fit in a slot on the outside pipe. This system is also used on 50% of the SC/RAMBLER exhaust. The bumps are used as stops in the outlet of the muffler section.The ''ONE NUT'' muffler clamps were also used to speed installation. The SC/RAMBLER intermediate pipes were of unequal lengths and may not have USED the BUMP/SLOT system. The intermediate pipes seem to be unique to the sc/rambler. Driver's side header pipe seems to be standard AMX. The pass. side header pipe seems to have been cut or bent form the standard v8 Rogue ''Y'' header pipe. This may be the reason for the unequal and unequal and unique intermediates.
SC/RAMBLER : THRUSH MUFFLERS !
SC/RAMBLER : THRUSH MUFFLERS - The ''round'' THRUSH MUFFLER is #3163. The body is 16''long, inlet is 2''I.D., and the outlet is 2''I.D. The ''oval''THRUSH muffler seems to be #3168 and has the same body length and inlet and outlet dimensions. The ends of the mufflers were cut to a length of 2 1/2''- 3''.
Note:THE ALIGNMENT BUMPS ON THE TAILPIPE, LINES UP WITH THE SLOTS CUT IN THE INLET AND OUTLET END PIPES OF AMC MUFFLERS FOR QUICK ALIGNMENT ON NEW AMC CAR ASSEMBLY LINE PRODUCTION.
PROAMC SC/RAMBLER PARTS IN PA 412 606 9998 GORDY
I REMEMBER THE RED ON THE hood STRIPE BRING BRIGHTER WHEN I GOT MY CAR NEW BACK IN MAY OF 1969. AFTER 38 OR 39 PLUS YEARS THE COLORS HAVE
DARKENED AND LIKE THE BLUE STRIPE HAS THE COLOR GETTING THINNER. I CAN ONLY RELATE TO THAT CAR MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE THAT BOUGHT ONE NEW AND STILL HAS IT TOGETHER FROM THE FACTORY CAN GIVE THEIR IDEAS OF THE STRIPE.PROAMC SC/RAMBLER PARTS IN PA 412 606 9998 GORDY
The Trunk Blue decal overlaps slightly below the trunk lock . Because of the trunk is a compound curve .
Decals : under Hood , Interior and Trunk
Note : Body Emblems (underhood , interior and trunk)
The ''WEATHER EYE'' on the dash bezel is blacked out and has a clear ''WEATHER EYE'' sticker over the controls. The weather eye controls have a place for light but I have never seen one put in. Mike Lewis
weather eye , Controls
Weather eye light windowhttp://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/underdog57/mlewisweathereyelight.jpg
Weather eye blacked out detailhttp://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/underdog57/mlewisweathereye.jpg
Note : Underhood decals
Underhood , interior amd trunk decals more
SC/RAMBLER : EXTREME MINUTIA - The original SUN TACH clamp details : IDEAL CORP., BLKYN NY, SNAPLOCK, SIZE 56 - The new Ideal replacement clamps now have : made in Mexico
Note : Minuitia : Tach clamp photo's
SC/Rambler Concourse Restoration Details
I do not think the sheet metal bolts wih the C in the head recess are still available. What you can do though is go to a junkyard and look for the fasteners on any late 60s early 70s AMC as these were used on all of the different cars and they come in various sizes. They can be bead blasted and painted a natural steel or sent out to be silver cad plated. While you are at the yard score some bolts with the TR logo on the heads. Again used all throughout the AMC Line in a variety of sizes, lengths, and either fine or coarse thread. Bead blast and paint or send out to be silver cad plated. These bolts are available new from AMK Products: http://www.amkproducts.com/AMK also has new reproduction radiator caps with the AM logo. Someone recently was doing the AMC single bolt style exhaust system clamps. I know they have the 1 7/8" one done and they said they were to have the 2" ones done soon. Anyone know who and if the 2" ones are available?
SC/RAMBLER : REPOSITORY - INTERIOR PAINT (CHARCOAL MATALLIC) LUCITE CODE 9595L FLAT - ENGINE PAINT (ALAMOSA AQUA METALLIC) P-68, LUCITE CODE 5061L, DUCO CODE 5061, DULUX CODE 5061DNOTE : THE RED ON THE DECALS DID NOT SEEM TO BE BRIGHT RED. One explanation : The BRIGHT RED is darker due to being placed on top of the black 3m vinyl base material. Leigh Allen (email@example.com) is trying to accomplish an exact replication of the decals using the same silk screening process as the originals.
SC/RAMBLER : RADIATOR DETAILS ?
SC/RAMBLER : RADIATOR DETAILS - The BLACKSTONE radiators had part numbers on the top. The numbers could be : 318 6082, 6088, 319 4331 or ???? (WE NEED SOME INPUT ON THIS SUBJECT.)
Note:Radiator according to the amc parts manual : is319 4331cars listed that would have the same part are:69 01 -10 V8 70 10 V871 10 V8 If you find an extra let me know..
M. LEWIS wrote:
SC/RAMBLER : EXTREME MANUTIA - The screws used on the firewall have a small ''c'' on the head. These are no longer available but it is easy to refinish originals. One option is the exact same screw with the letter ''0'' on the head that could be altered (may still be available) ?
RE: Seat belts (STORAGE?
SC/RAMBLER : SEAT BELTS (& SHOULDER HARNESS STORAGE) - I've had SC/RAMBLERS that had metal clips for shoulder harness storage. These clips were located at the edge of the roof line (on the headliner).The other type of storage is plastic clips located on the rear panels (below the ashtrays). A.M.C. placed a seat belt use and operation pamphlet in the glove box that shows the type of storage provided. The pamphlet is part of the owner's packet.
SC/RAMBLER : INSPECTION MARKS AND STICKERS - I only know of one person that has duplicated the inspection marks and placed the correct assembly (OK) stickers on his restored SC/RAMBLER. I will try to contact him for that information.
ALL 68 AMERICAN AND ALL 69 RAMBLERS WITH ELECTRIC WIPERS WITH OR WITHOUT ELECTRIC WASHERS TOOK THE SAME SWITCH (AMC GROUP NUMBER 22.038 AMC PART NUMBER 3598673)PROAMC SC/RAMBLER PARTS IN PA 412 606 9998 GORDY
This comes from Steve Parsons who has examined countless original AMC cars, researched the finshes and colors of various items and applies not only to the SC/R but all late 60s early 70s AMCs. For the cars with power brakes the master cylinder and power brake unit were painted as an assembly and installed. The finish on the master cylinder cap was gold zinc dichromate (underneath the paint) and then the both the power brake booster and master cylinder were painted a semi-flat black including the cap and bale wire before being installed. Bill Strobel
I THINK IF YOU LOOK CLOSE AT THE HEADREST YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ONES THAT THE RED TURNED DARK HAVE A VINYL GRAIN THAT LOOKS LIKE LEATHER AND THE HEADRESTS THAT STILL LOOKS GOOD HAS A VINYL GRAIN THAT LOOKS ALOT LIKE THE GRAIN ON THE SEAT VINYL. THE CAR I BOUGHT NEW IS A LATE CAR MADE IN MAY AND IT HAS THE RED THAT TURNED DARK. THE EARLY NUMBER CARSTHAT I OWN HAVE THE OTHER VINYL AND BRIGHT RED. BUT I DID NOT BUY THE OTHER CARS NEW SO I CAN NOT SAY FOR SURE THE BRIGHT HEADREST WERE ON ONLY EARLY CARS .PROAMC SC/RAMBLER PARTS IN PA 412 606 9998 GORDY
SC/RAMBLER : EXTREME MINUTIA - The clamp for the tach runs between the directional lever and the flasher switch. The tach covers the gas gauge.
(Have reports the tack position varies from two to three o-clock ?)
SC/RAMBLER : EXTREME MANUTIA - The original glass in the side mirrors had a code on the edge. A-AX-9 seems to be the correct code.
SC/RAMBLER : AIR CLEANER BASE
SC/RAMBLER : AIR CLEANER BASE - The SC/RAMBLER air cleaner base had four drain holes drilled (1/4 inch). Mike Lewis
(I have a base that has one hole, no way of telling if original . So discount it?)
SC/RAMBLER : HEAT STOKER ! M. LEWIS
SC/RAMBLER : HEAT STOKER SPARK PLUG SHIELD - The spark plug shield under the intake heat stoker is not the same as the other three. This detail is the same on all AMC v8s.
(Have heard of NO variations so far)
Topic : Oil Fill
Bumper Jack Details:Finish and parts views
Topic : Paper Plates / Patch
Not sure of the whole story , The cars had the paper plate . The patch ??
Topic : Speedometer
Have seen a lot of Sc/Ramblers plus 1969 01 body rambler have Dots instead of hash marks.
Please let us know if you have seen differant on a factory stock Sc/R . This seems like a year 1969 item .
With Dots Photo
Note : The original SUN TACH clamp details : IDEAL CORP., BLKYN NY, SNAPLOCK, SIZE 56 - The new Ideal replacement clamps now have : made in MexicoNote : Clamp photo's
Note:This is the Sun ST-635 ...635 looks the same as a 602 except the "st 602"print would have to be blacked out from the face of the unit.And the red line added.
Here is a st-635 just in :
Here are some ST-602's Odd one does not have the st-602 on the face... !?http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/underdog57/scramblerparts0006.jpg
3.700-2 Base , tachometer
69 09 ..................................1 319 - 86953.700-3
Harness , tachometer wire
69 09 .....................................1 319 - 8697
carpet install .
Here are pictures from a few of my cars . Some of a gutted SC shows the cowl pad . The other appears to be oringinal B scheme .
I see the carpet has the plastic push holder . But it looks short ??
I copied a few of the guys that can verify this stuff
Heres the original appearing carpet shots B scheme car
These are from a gutted SC/R . Also appears factory :I can try to take better shots of the drivers side , the car is sardined pretty tight at the moment ...
Topic :Glove Box
Whats in your glove box ?http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/underdog57/MlewisGlovebox.jpg
Owners Manual (Printing revision? to include the 390 CI Engine)
TOPIC : Dealer handouts
AMC dealer handout.front, inside, and back (one page).
The word''REPRINT'' is not a stamp, it is printed on the page. I am sure AMC and/or Hurst paid for this handout. What is on the back of your copy of the of the magazine?
This is one page with no staples.
Coutesy Of Mike Lewis
Bob's reply : My magazine has a Javelin Add On the Back cover . Neat ! Thanks again Mike ...
Mikes Photo's here
Seat Belt Stowage sheet
Sc/Rambler embroidered patch (cool)
Topic: What Promo Items did the dealers have in the Show Room ?
Friday, April 25, 2008
The really detailed very interesting information . This as "correct" as it gets , Enjoy !!