Saturday, July 19, 2014

Sc/Rambler Blue Wheel color match

Hi Guys ,
A question has come up about how accurate the paint matches between the given paint code we know from the Sheets . And the Original color on the cars rims. Its been brought up that the paint is lighter on original 45 year old rims .
My guess is over the years the paint has faded , And the paint codes will have reasonable color match as its supposed to be ..
We have all seen commercial of the Mustang in a junk yard with oxidized paint , get the paint restore treatment ...
Any thoughts on this is appreciated as always
Thanks for taking the time reading this

Bob

Replies from very good sources :

Bill Strobel 

The problem is the paint. Modern paint uses different pigments to achieve the color than were used with the original paints. The Corvette hobby runs into this all the time when cars are painted with modern paints using formulas with the approved substitutes. The color is close but not right when compared with an original color. The best deal is use an original spot of paint or an original color chip and then tint the paint to match. That is the only way to match modern paint to original colors that were used back the 60s -80s. Just be glad our colors are solid and not metallic. Today's metallic is a different size than was used back in the day and creates a different look when viewed in the sun or under the lights. No way to accurately match the look with modern paints. Bill

Jim McKee 

 Hi Bob, I believe the paint would be some what lighter on 45 year old blue wheels, because all paint fades as it ages. I have recently seen SC/Rambler wheels from a weak light blue to early FORD engine paint which is quite dark. There was a SC/Rambler sold in Michigan recently and the wheels were very light blue. More than fading could cause in my opinion. I would think they were rattle canned whatever color baby blue paint was available at Home Depot.

I don’t paint, because I have absolutely no expertise in this area. I am of the opinion the wheel color is supposed to match the blue in the stripes on SC/Ramblers. AMC cars were originally painted with acrylic enamel. I would expect any original paint cars to be heavily faded or completely chalked out by now. The vinyl stripes should have faded out to the black vinyl they were made on. Most current paints are a base color with a clear coat, because of its durability. The body color on my SC/Rambler is a recent Corvette Linen White color. I believe GM also painted this color on trucks. I like the color on my SC/Rambler and its easy to get a color match for more paint.


I have very good results with the paint the local distributor supplies the paint shop I use use. There is one locally that can convert the original AMC paint codes to a current paint color thats widely available. They have been in business for 52 years and have old car color charts for the old paint codes. At least for the AMC cars I have have had painted. I painted a Frost White AMX, the three colors on my SC/Rambler and an Alamosa Aqua Rogue with a Frost White top in the last ten years. The paint matched the paint in the trunk and inside the doors on the AMX and the Rogue. The SC/Rambler was a rotisserie job. Most of the better paint distributors have a machine for color match if they don’t have a conversion for 45 year old AMC paint codes, I believe the machine does a very good job at matching colors. I have not had any experience with spot in jobs on my AMC cars, because I haven’t done any of those. I am very pleased with the paint color match on my AMX and Rogue sitting side by side even though they were painted seven years apart. Its possible to get very close to the original SC/Rambler paint colors if you want to. Regards, Jim

Eddie Stakes

Hi Bob several reasons for this. AMC was known to use what is in parts bins that day, for instance is a 69 Javelin with blue interior coming down line, and not all interior pieces blue, a tray would roll along with car till the end where appropriate pieces painted (could have been red, tan, black in 69) dried, then installed. The big problem was not letting the line stop for any reason. If it did, there would be hell to pay, especially for a slow selling model like SC/Rambler or say, Rebel.
On top of that you had a variety of paint suppliers to AMC. Rinshed Mason, Dupont, also Martin Senoir come to mind, there are more but listed in my AMC PAINT section
I can tell you stories of AMCs damaged by owners in 1970s, taken to AMC body shop at dealers, fixed, painted, but while it looked super repaired, take another look at it from 15-25 feet away and you would see a slight, not noticable up close, but slight discoloration, might be a cunt hair lighter or darker. Which means the dealer ordered paint probably from 3rd party.
Regardless, if someone is comparing a original paint on a almost 50 year old rim, I guarantee you that patina, UV discoloration and ANYTHING that rim has come into contact the past 5 decades including soap, brushes, cleaners, will discolor it and usually gets lighter. Same with AMC rally rims, same with Rebel Machine rims, those turn a light silver for instance.
how many colors of red do you see in this original owner AMX with 'red' interior? When the cars were new, you had deviations in the colors of interiors due to moldings, plastics used and paint. Some of them had 5 'shades' of whatever color is was supposed to be. New.
So yes, chances are the 'bright blue' on the rims have simply faded with time. PS I have a hurst SC/Rambler page on my site from many years ago
and a photo of my A paint one bought for $500 in 1990s
Eddie Stakes
713-464-8825 days
www.planethoustonamx.com

 

Thursday, June 26, 2014

Jim McKee Wiper Motor detail

I could not find how the wiper motor drive pieces are assembled on the wiper motor drive arm in the Technical Service Manual, so I did this little drawing. If I don’t remember the stack up between using the parts in AMC repair parts kit 812 2354, I am sure there are some other people it would help. Its attached below. Regards, Jim

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Sunday, January 5, 2014

Sc/Rambler On Ebay . Mike Lewis's Rare Mostly Original Car For Sale ! Rare Opportunity to buy one like this !!

Rare 98% Original Sc/Rambler On Ebay

Would really like to own this example of a very complete Scrambler . With many rare goodies .
Good luck Mike , looking forward to this car making history !
Luck to all the serious bidders !!
Bob

Saturday, March 30, 2013

Wiper Motor Service AMC

Hi Bob... My friend David Bass restores SC/Rambler and AMX wiper motors. Here is the link to his web site... www.amxwipermotors.com Dave is a former SC/Rambler owner and is currently restoring an AMX. I've seen David's work first hand and he does a fantastic job. I mean his wiper motors are perfect. Please give his web site a look and please note the before and after pictures.
any comments or blog posts about David's service would be appreciated.

 
Thank you...
 
           ...Rich

Sunday, February 17, 2013

Sc/Rambler Door Paint Detail

Bob:

I have a posting request.  Take a look at my combined photos of the charcoal painting on the doors.  Left vs. Right.

I am interested in getting other original paint Scramblers photos like this to help decide how common this was on Scramblers.  I have to decide how I want to restore the doors - Both like the right, or 100% "factory".  Let's try to solicit photos from others involved on the blog.

Kevin Shope

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Sunday, January 6, 2013

Sc/Rambler minutia from Q&A area HEATER CONTROL VALVE

Hi Bob,   In the SC/Rambler Q & A section of the blog, someone asked 
if heater control valves had numbers stamped in them.  The part number 
in the AMC Parts Catalog 1967 thru 1972 for the valves is in Group 
13.035 and is part number 319 0162.  The correct NOS heater control 
valves and my original heater control valve have "69"  stamped 
underneath the control lever in addition to "on" and "off".  The 
control lever covers the numbers up in the off position.  They are 
only visible when the lever is past the halfway open position.  Ranco 
made the valves up until about 1998 when they went out of business.  I 
believe only the valves supplied by Ranco to AMC had the numbers 
stamped in them.  The last time I saw one for sale was at the last 
Kenosha Historical Society Show there was one  correct valve in the 
original unopened AMC packaging with the punch card of the purchasing 
dealer in 1969 wrapped around the box offered for $400.00.    
Regards,  Jim

Sc/Rambler at Scottsdale

Bob:

Thought you might like to spread the word.  Maybe we can all watch another increase in the value of our cars take place this year.

(2) SC's will go up at Barret Jackson on Wednesday Night:

Lot 499.1 - A Scheme car
    weblink:  http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=499.1&aid=466

Lot 500 - Matt Wilson's old B scheme car - "Johnny Lightning" version
    weblink:  http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=500&aid=466

>From the looks of it, they should cross the block in the later hours of coverage on Wednesday night.

Should be a good way to spend a cold winters night in the northeast!

Kevin

Eric Gardner Sc/Rambler and Exhaust For Sale Details

New from Gardner Exhaust:
Here are our reproduction Scrambler  hangers.  They have been reproduced from our originals and come zinc plated, built with correct corded tire rubbers, correct bolts, lock washers, and star washers, all of the pieces  have been reproduced from the originals.  They are available with any of our Scrambler and AMX exhaust systems.  I will send you some pictures of the hangers next to original as well.

Thanks again for the posting we are excited to be able to offer these hangers to the Scrambler enthusiasts so they no longer have to make due with tired old originals.

Best Regards,

Eric Gardner
Here is the new set , following photo's are comparisons of OEM to the Reproduction set
PhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucket Here is an e-mail from Eric , cost of system ommited for now ..

Bob,

You can blog these now if you like if you can keep the price off at first that would be great. We like talking to our customers so we make sure they are ordering the right stuff and we also offer differrent options. For instance we can ceramic coat the flanges, zinc the hangers but obviously that would add cost. The system as you see it with the brackets welded on but without the hangers would be $???.??.
Here is what you would get.

Front pipes, flanges, extension with donuts, adapter pipes, glasspack mufflers, tail pipes with brakets welded on, we can include clamps for that price but they obviously would not be the q-clamps. If you want q-clamps they would be $??.??/ set extra, we can include the tips, and the hangers but they would be extra also. I am working on getting the strap clamps for the tips as well.

Thanks again for the kind words and all your help on the restoration. We are going to try to start the car again today so I will try to get some pictures to you.

Best Regards,


Eric Gardner

Gardner Exhaust Systems
http://www.gardnerexhaust.com/
(845) 758-8003 (P)(845) 758-0980 (F)

Here are the pictures !!! Enjoy

Gardner Exaust

Gardner Exaust

Gardner exhaust

Here is Erics personal Sc/Rambler ...As you can see Eric is formost a car guy and lucky for
us has reproduced the exhaust ...

Eric Gardner SC

Eric Gardner SC

Eric Gardner SC

Eric Gardner SC

WoW !!