Gordy Chilson's Funny Car Chilson Family reunion 2008

Dennis Coffey sent these for us to see . Enjoy ...
This was quite the show stopper , was rolled out later afternoon .
Crowd pleaser or what !!!











Thank you Dennis , hope to see everyone next fall !!

Bob

Ramblers Americans rogues Open to the blog

Hi every one ,
Was brought to my attention that we can have more fun with the blog by
including more cars ...

I put one post up of a 64 american that is a project underway ..Ah , I think this car looks like its pretty tame . Well its really pretty wild ..........

Any pictures or stories of your car are welcome ...

E-mail them to me at underdog@fairpoint.net or you can add a comment to a post that is already in progress ..

Thanks
Bob

BARRETT JACKSON SC/RAMBLER ! ! !

Hey all ,
Am going to put up imformation on the upcoming 2009 Barrett Jackson auction .
They have two cars . An "A" and "B" scheme .
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/
lot#936 and lot#936.1

Will put info you might send me and I'll get at it ...
e-mail underdog@fairpoint.net or leave a comment on this post ..

At least one of the cars was previously owned by Mike Coon .
Will try to find the present owner ...
Thanks
Bob

Sc/R Minutia will merge into designated areas misc..

We can all try to start a chat here . Hope it goes well .If not a forum might be worth looking into . A lot of talent resides within this blog ...
Sooo , anything from introduction to a cool show . or anything that you want to see covered .
Thanks
Bob Rascoe

Parts to Mull over ,
Here is what is left of an OEM hood pin lanyard etc
Screw


Parts that mount to the radiator support:






Pin Clip details:



















Hood Pins:


Note the added sheet metal weldment (passenger side pin)





Mirror glass and a sample one of the guys can do for your glass .
These are the best I could photograph so far . The sample is not the right
thickness . So if you get this done it will be like the real ones ..


Here is what I believe to be a few original hood ornaments .


Can see how this was assembled here:


What are the reproduction ones like ??

Here is a link to the Barret Jackson Auction for 2009 coming up .

An A and B scheme car are on the list .
Any one know who's these are ??
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/search/carlist.aspx

Look for 936 and 936.1 and there are photo's and curious imformation in the
listing . Especiall the counts broken down to how many A schemes to B scheme cars made ??!!??!!

Bob

PARTS WANTED Sc/Rambler

Any parts or services wanted can go here :
Easiest way to use the blog is to add a comment . Or e-mail me at underdog@fairpoint.net . I'm Bob Rascoe and will be happy to pass info along ...
Also in the blog there is a parts available list . A few contacts of sellers are there ...

NEEDED : Peter Stillo is in need of an original hood scoop ..
pstillo@sandyinc.com

I had a request for a set of seat belts ,

Also a set of the twin bench seats that are 1969 only for the Sc/R
Note: Gordy Chilson has seats in stock and will sell them restored , every part is gone through . From the springs to the recline drum that wears out ..
Ready to install . Or he can have your cores done ...

Note two: Hi Bob,

I just got my seats and headrest back from Doc of Doc's Upholstery in Belvidere IL and I can say without aprehension it very well may be the best upholstery job I have ever seen on a vintage muscle car. Doc's attention to detail is bordering on a obsession. The headrest he reupholstered for me probably never looked that good from the factory. The color is a dead on match to the originals I sent. The piping is perfect and perfectly straight and all the correct sizing. the seats are tight and straight. I can't thank Doc enough for being an actual craftsman who takes pride in what they do.

The good news for the Scrambler community is that Doc actually owns a B scheme car with the original upholstery so he knows exactly what it should look like. Better news yet is Doc has the makings right now for I believe 5 more batches of seats and head rests for the Scramblers. I implore anyone who is on contemplating getting their seats reupholstered to contact Doc right away before he runs out of the material 815-547-5408. You will not regret this decision.

Eric

390 etc .Engine Stocker to Mods

Here is Jim McKee's contact imfo . Jim is one of the best sources of imfo and always
freely passes excellent imfo . That I trust with out a doubt ..
Enjoy !
Bob Rascoe

Hi Bob, I have no problem posting my phone number or e-mail address. 727) 343-1445 and jmmckee@earthlink.net I am taking a few new customers, but there is a big rush that will start shortly for bracket engines for next season and they take priority here. Street engines around this time can easily get pushed back by the race guys. Regards, Jim

Q:What is the P/N and casting number on the 68/69 rods ?
A: cast 3191739 P/N 3191740
Jim McKee writes:
Hi Bob, I am not sure if the number in your e-mail is a part number or a casting number. 68/69 connecting rods are part number 319 1740. These rods are 5.790" center to center length. 70 390 and 71 401 rods are part number 319 7049 and have a 5.858" center to center length. 72 and up rods are part number 321 5954 and have a 5.858" center to center length. 72 and up rods have a smaller balance pad on the small end to clear stock AMC pistons. All these rods are forged and I have phenomenal luck installing ARP bolts and resizing the big ends up to 7000 rpm. Shot-peening raises the rpm limit to 8000 rpm on these rods with the ARP bolts. I have a customer with these rods in his bracket engine turning 7700 rpm with over 500 runs now. Ken Parkman, Popular Hot Rodding Magazine Engine Masters contest entrant with a 634 horsepower AMC 360, has a bracket engine turning 7000 rpm and has over 1100 runs on the engine. Please rod bolt stretch all your rods and record the free length using a ball micrometer for each rod bolt, so you can check for permanent rod bolt length deformation at the next tear down. Do not sell AMC forged rods short.


I know you didn't ask about bearings, but is an important subject when talking about AMC rods. ACL or King mains are the only ones to use in a performance AMC engine and the only completely acceptable stock rod bearing is King. All King bearings are soft, relatively speaking, and are therefore usually easy on the crank journals. Federal-Mogul bearings are a better choice for stock rebuilds. Do NOT use Clevite OEM bearings except in low horsepower stock rebuilds for low rpm usage. Clevite OEM bearings just don't have the load carrying capacity of previous Clevite OEM lead complex bearings. About five years ago the metalurgical composition of Clevite OEM bearings was changed and the electro-deposited layers are now an aluminum complex and the bearing surface will hen-check, chunk out, and fail horribly in even mild performance applications. This problem can not be improved with higher oil pressure, bigger bearing clearances, or any crank journal modifications. Clevite OEM bearings has been sold to a Japanese company and Clevite HP bearings has been sold to Mahle. Clevite HP/Mahle bearings don't exist for AMC unless you convert to Chevy rods. All ACL rod bearings come in an ACL box, but are Clevite OEM bearings inside. I have have had success with Calico coated bearings. Jerry Ehlert, at Calico, tries to talk you out of coating Clevite OEM bearings and will tell you they don't do it. When pressed, he will admit the 275 degree coating bake cycle causes problems with the bearing surfaces. If your bearing won't take 275 degrees without degrading, I don't want it in my or any of my customer's engines


Regards, Jim


Just for information, 290-304-343-360 cast rods are all 5.875

King Bearing site: http://www.kingbearings.com/advantages.html

Eddie Stakes reply:
Hi Bob, these are 68-69 390V8 rods, AMC used casting #3191740 which appears in the big 67-72 AMC Dealer Book (of which I have a copy of that big ass book on DVD, you can see one in my ebay auctions:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZeddiestakesQQhtZ-1
is for 390V8 68-69 only. I haave enclosed a photo here of axctual parts book and well a connecting rod from the garage here with the old style AM script emblem and the 3191739 casting circled on it. Take care and good luck,
Eddie Stakes
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@planethoustonamx.com
www.planethoustonamx.com
email volume post Hurricane Ike
EXTREMELY HEAVY, reply time 20+
days
photo coutesy of eddie Stakes !


Dan Curtis reply:
Bob,

Those are indeed 68/69 390 rods. I have a NOS rod in my hand and that is the number it has on it.



Best Regards,

Dan Curtis

d.curtis@cox.net

602 317 2018

New Reproduction Parts/Services

Note : The blog has an area for parts requests .


Post started by Bill :
There are some new reproductions for the SC/R out there. First off AMARK Reproductions has the 1969 35 amp Motorola Alternator Tag with screws for $12.00 http://my.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=312150&ck=

Next AMXMGS has the correct one nut exhaust system clamps for $15.00 each. You need six 2" clamps in order to do the car right. http://amxmgs.com/zencart/

Both of these reproductions are items that we the hobby have asked for, for years and they are now available no waiting. I have purchased both of these items and both came within a few days of my ordering. Both vendors except credit cards. Now if could only find a set of inner fender shields and the correct staples ;-)

Re Bill ,
Can the staples be bent up from a roll of wire stock ??
I can look , but I bought rubber sheet from a company . it was not a large piece
.So It can be bought in small qty ...

amark does have the side marker lenses , rear taillight lens . I think all the decals
but the glove box tire pressure decal .And that is coming ...
The radio delete plate is perfect , ready to install ...Even has the AMC numbers on the back ...
Mark was going to do the seat side plastic chrome last I heard . And possibly the rear
sail panel dome lenses . I think he needs an nos one ....


The battery's posts are not as original . And that not going to change ...


Re Bob
The staples could be made. From what I have heard they were copper not steel. I also got one of the SC/R radio delete plates from AMARK. I have one question on the repro side marker lenses from AMARK. Do they have the correct D.O.T. markings? Anyone know? Thanks, Bill

NOTE : Bill ,
I looked at an original taillight lense from AMARK . It is totaly identicle .
Also looked at the side marker lenses . They have the same numbers etc .
As I did not have a lense off the car ,but on Amarks there are some tiny numbers and such on the front lip that is covered when the bezel is installed ..

I am being very thorough and any info that is not correct on the blog .
I'll edit it . To make it right ...
Bob

Hi Bill ,
I have pictures of the AMARK parts on the blog . As far as I could tell , these parts are as good as it can possibly be ...more opinions would be great as I'm
basicly just logging this stuff for readers of the blog . And want to be un-biased.

From what I've heard , Mark has guys that have NOS parts he borrows , to be as true to OEM appearing as possible .

One thing I'd like to add is , I'd go for the repro parts over NOS in many cases .
For the fact that some NOS stuff has shelf wear , plus very expensive ...
A lot of the repro parts we're seeing are really that good , that I'd defy anyone to know if its OEM or not ....


Hi Bob,
I don't know if this is where this blog would go but I just wanted to pass this onto the Scrambler enthusiats.

I just got my seats and headrest back from Doc of Doc's Upholstery in Belvidere IL and I can say without aprehension it very well may be the best upholstery job I have ever seen on a vintage muscle car. Doc's attention to detail is bordering on a obsession. The headrest he reupholstered for me probably never looked that good from the factory. The color is a dead on match to the originals I sent. The piping is perfect and perfectly straight and all the correct sizing. the seats are tight and straight. I can't thank Doc enough for being an actual craftsman who takes pride in what they do.

The good news for the Scrambler community is that Doc actually owns a B scheme car with the original upholstery so he knows exactly what it should look like. Better news yet is Doc has the makings right now for I believe 5 more batches of seats and head rests for the Scramblers. I implore anyone who is on contemplating getting their seats reupholstered to contact Doc right away before he runs out of the material 815-547-5408. You will not regret this decision.

Eric

Thanks eric , thats really good to know
Bob

Peter Stillo's Photo's At The Chilson AMC Show

THANKS PETER !

Mike Lewis Sc/Rambler ! ! !

We were fortunate to have Mikes car to view . It was "the" most "factory correct"
unrestored Sc/R at The Chilson Car show ....

We fully appreciate all Scrambler's . But for info on factory stock . This is a very good example ...

Here is feedback from Mike :

Bob, I know what it takes to restore a SC/RAMBLER. I think we met a few of the guys that want to set a new standard. I hope that all of them had a chance to meet Jim Mckee and talk nuts, bolts, and ratios.

I can show you what it looked like from the factory but Jim is way beyond any information I can provide. I know Jim made an extra effort to be at Gordy's show and I think I speak for all of us with a big THANK YOU !

I also know what it takes to provide a quality (and FREE!!!) show like this. I've had the privilege to watch it all fall into place like magic. This year was the best and I say that every year. Every detail thought out in advace, from where to park every Nash, total number of meat balls, and when to bring out the fiberglass Javelin !! One guy did all of this. THANKS GORDY !!!

SEE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR !
MIKE LEWIS

Note : Hey , everyone . The fibreglass Javelin Mike is referring too .
Is the coo de gras to top off the show . We need a photo of this !!Anyone??!!??

Gordy's new toy . This is an early "Funny Car" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was an attempt to start it but , it had a freak problem with the blower .
Hope to hear it next year ....I love the smell of Altered Alchohol and smoking "ripple walls" in the morning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This car was freshly restored and we were the first group to view it !!
Thanks again Gordy for the fun you brought by planning and pulling off another
"Super Show"
Bob




This is Mike's 35,000. mile car . It has a lot of untouched original parts ...
Will post particulars such as paint overspay etc .



Here is the steering wheel with tach .


Front wheel beauty ring / center cap



Front wheel close up , This detail shows the factory lay the wheel downt to paint the blue . This caused this pooling of the paint .





Hood Pin : Note it has no chamfer on the clip hole . The end of the hold down
cable has a ball shaped swaged with a special crimper . Mike states he knows how to duplicate this area .


Vacuum device for the hood scoop flapper Note the large rivits ..



Hood scoop Flapper factory over spay detail ...




Roof Blue stripe detail , will get a measurment asap ...



"A" Scheme Rear qaurter red stripe detail (free hand after following body lines )


Door Red Stripe detail:Inner








Red Stripe front Quarter detail :






Front inner fender/cowl detail . Note this was flattened out at this lower spot .



Muffler shot


Exauhst tips : Note , these are NOT original . They are stainless replacement.



Here are Mikes Originals which are steel chromed :




Thanks for the car to view , all the way from Nashville TN ..!

Bob